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PostSubject: Re: Ron on Stooges classics   Ron on Stooges classics - Page 2 Icon_minitimeThu Feb 21, 2008 1:56 am

Angusyd van Hyman wrote:
... and suddenly, a huge Marshall stack falls on the poor Williamson ...

Lol

but he would scape and then play the riff of search. lol
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sickness wrote:
Angusyd van Hyman wrote:
... and suddenly, a huge Marshall stack falls on the poor Williamson ...

Lol

but he would scape and then play the riff of search. lol

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The only way to be sure is to try ... Laughing

If they play with Williamson at the HOF, I hope there will be videos.
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Theres no way, at least not till the stooges are long gone and ig finally gives up - willfully or not - that those idiots would put them in, in one way i dont want them to be accepted, because they would be just that - accepted. But on the other they are so influencial, a huge unknown influence that they should be recognised, and come on, three classic albums that have inspired as many genres as there are songs on them, and who else can come back after 40 years and rekindle the kind of fire that made them so great as a live band back in the 60s/70s, they are probably along with the stones and, as much as i hate to say it, U2 they are one of the greatest live bands going at the minute, and the lead singers been through hell; tremendous ups and tremendous downs, who hobbles around the place on stage when he walks, whose 60 and throws himself into the crowd still!! thats unbelieveable, who invites people up to the stage! this stuff has to be recognised, but the HOF are idiots, they invited the Sex Pistols into the hall of fame, and patti smith, both who would bow b4 iggy and give up even a chance of gettin into the HOF if their idol iggy got in u'no, they wont let them in for another like 8, 9 maybe 10 years, when iggy's given up and ppl finally recognise the power and influence of the work
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PostSubject: Re: Ron on Stooges classics   Ron on Stooges classics - Page 2 Icon_minitimeWed Feb 27, 2008 11:10 am

a mention of U2?!? Now that's got me going

in my opinion U2 are complete cack.
Mind you I did hear a U2 song once and liked it. Until I realized it was a U2 song.
So I don't know ... maybe it's just a psychological thing
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I hate them too, esp Bono, they have a couple of good songs but i cant appreciate them because of him
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Just for a fuller mental picture, so you can imagine him with the Les Paul Custom (which he keeps in the case in the front room) and full-on make up, is James last year...

http://www.trynka.net/Site/Open_Up_Blog/BB5A81D9-B11E-48A7-BE54-6DADFDE8C4B7.html

FWIW, I think Iggy is somehow more bitter at James than Ron is. Could be wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: Ron on Stooges classics   Ron on Stooges classics - Page 2 Icon_minitimeMon Mar 03, 2008 8:35 pm

Paul T wrote:

FWIW, I think Iggy is somehow more bitter at James than Ron is. Could be wrong.

Can you elaborate, please? I can understand he would be a bit pissed at him - and vice versa - but more so than Ron?
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The whole Ron-James thing is kinda ironic, because it was Ron who wanted a second-guitar player in the first place, after 'Funhouse'.
but why should Ron be sore at James now? who's the one still playing guitar??
but seriously, I always remember reading in a Ron interview - one of those really long ones, at PSF or the i-94 bar (or whatever it's called) how Ron recalled seeing James recently and getting on well with him, and Ron remarked on how well James has done for himself over the years (career, family)
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PostSubject: Re: Ron on Stooges classics   Ron on Stooges classics - Page 2 Icon_minitimeMon Mar 03, 2008 11:07 pm

Found something about it in a magazine from August 2005 :

"The problem with James Williamson, I won't say nevermore, why should I say it ? There are a lot of possibilities and reactions, everything started on a plane, when I was thinking about my new album. I was writing on a paper the people with who I'd like to play, and my hand precedes me and scribbles STOOGES. But which Stooges ? And who are the Stooges ? Are we supposed to have James on the bass and Ron on the guitar then make them exchange their instruments ? How should we do ? Finally I decided : first, when you've got a real, alive band who's backing you again, everybody needs to know where it's at, and that's why I can't have two lead guitar players. I wouldn't work. Secondly, on a scale from one to ten, like in every old band there are problems*. With the Asheton brothers we never exceeded five. With James we reached eight, and more. Yeah. It tends to make me very suspicious. James came to one of our shows, he said "Hello guys" and it won't go further. Two years ago he said, "how could we imagine a Stooges reunion without me?" Well, here's the news, James : Stooges don't make a reunion. It's only me who plays with them again. James was an innovator, a dark avant-garde talent, but everything was there befores he comes. And, there's something I understood growing older : there are things I'll never do anymore for a better guitar riff. Humanity has it's limits. James' got his career in the computer industry and what comes from the sales of Raw Power is rather good for his bank account. His work on "Raw Power" is truly unique. We can regret that, alone, he's never done anything good with rock'n'roll ... that's the truth, that's how it went. "

*don't know how to translate it. In French it's "mauvais sang", bad blood" ... sorry

I can translate the reste of the interviews if someone wants it (in another topic).
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Ah, good interview. For bitter, you could say 'Bad blood".

There's lots of dark juju around this story, too. James was around at a bad period in Iggy's life, if you discount the music. So he makes a convenient whipping boy. You need to read the whole story to understand, how after dropping Ron from the Stooges, then getting Ron back in to play bass behind James... Iggy sacked James. Who ended up as a projectionist in a porno movie theater before Iggy, when he was desperate, called him back. From that point on, James was probably - wisely - looking after Number One. Dark juju.
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Angusyd van Hyman wrote:
Found something about it in a magazine from August 2005 :

I can translate the reste of the interviews if someone wants it (in another topic).

Interesting interview. I'm assuming Iggy is the one giving this interview? What magazine is it from? How on earth can he say Williamson never did anything good with RNR? What about Head On, Hard to Beat, Cock in My Pocket, Rubber Legs, Johanna, Pin Point Eyes, Open Up and Bleed, Jesus Loves the Stooges, Born in a Trailer, Wet My Bed, Rich Bitch, I Got Nothing, Not Right all of which are credited to James. And more. What a thing to say.
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Not Right? It's from the first album, isn't it?
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My bad. I don't know what I'm blabbering about. Anyhow I think you know what I'm trying to say. And while I'm at it, I wonder how short the list of songs Iggy wrote "ALONE" with no collaboration would be? In what, a time span of 20 years? He teams up a plenty. And poor ol' James only had a shot at it for a few years there. Am I wrong? But Iggy is the king of the world and gets to pick and choose in the end. That interview above just seems harsh to me.
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Good point - nearly all the best Iggy songs were written with a collaborator.
All the early Stooges stuff was written by various permutations of the band (although Iggy claims to have come up with "Down On The Street" and "I Got A Right" by himself the songwriter credits don't reflect this).
The Williamson era saw everything credited, rightly or wrongly, to Iggy and James (though Ron sometimes gets a credit for "She Creatures of The Hollywood Hiils")
Kill City was obviously a collaboration.
The Idiot should really be listed as a Bowie and Pop album.
It's not until Lust For Life that we get the first song credited entirely to Iggy ("Sixteen") although the rest are co-writes.
A handful more solo songs on New Values and Soldier but Party and Zombie Birdhouse were nearly all collaborative tunes.
Blah-Blah-Blah was co-written with either Bowie or Steve Jones, half of Instinct with Jones, the other half by Iggy alone.
From memory, much of Brick By Brick and American Caesar seem to have been solely Iggy compositions, but both Doggie and Avenue B contain a majority of collaborations.
Beat Em Up and Skull Ring were almost entirely co-written and that brings us up to The Weirdness with the Stooges again.
So yes, Iggy rarely writes on his own. But he's lucky that some great songwriters want to work with him, resulting in some terrific songs over the years.
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I'm sayin' Richard! Thank you. And I thought of one of Iggy's. Candy. I noticed James gets credited incorrectly on songs that aren't his too. Maybe Iggy was having a bad day on that interview. On the other hand maybe he really believes all that. I think it's interesting trivia that Elvis never wrote a note, or any lyrics, or performed one single song of his own, ever.
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Paul T wrote:
Ah, good interview. For bitter, you could say 'Bad blood".

There's lots of dark juju around this story, too. James was around at a bad period in Iggy's life, if you discount the music. So he makes a convenient whipping boy. You need to read the whole story to understand, how after dropping Ron from the Stooges, then getting Ron back in to play bass behind James... Iggy sacked James. .

Iggy sacked James? when, why? that's a large chunk of history that seems to have passed me by
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LOL there's a book you will have to buy for that story!

james was sacked just after the Stooges played the Ford Theater in Detroit. They recruited a replacement called Tornado Turner (previously no one knew who it really was but I'm confident I ID'd him.) It was a disaster. Then once they were chucked off MainMan, in desperation, Iggy called him up again.
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thanks ...
yeah I've read that book, it's just that I skimmed over that bit! I was concentrating too much on the Dave Alexander era, as usual.
But then you say Iggy got James back ... (he wasn't just unceremoniously slung out for all time, like my poor darling Dave) - so when did he REALLY leave?


(actually maybe I'd better make it clear that I'm NOT blaming Iggy or anyone else for getting shot of Dave ... sometimes people do get the wrong idea about what I'm trying to say... )
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Nadja wrote:
thanks ...
yeah I've read that book, it's just that I skimmed over that bit! I was concentrating too much on the Dave Alexander era, as usual.
But then you say Iggy got James back ... (he wasn't just unceremoniously slung out for all time, like my poor darling Dave) - so when did he REALLY leave?


(actually maybe I'd better make it clear that I'm NOT blaming Iggy or anyone else for getting shot of Dave ... sometimes people do get the wrong idea about what I'm trying to say... )
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were you going to add anything else Paul ... Question
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sorry, I get lots of errors on this site running Safari...

James and Iggy worked together, amid much mutual suspicion, from 73 to 75, had another falling out around the time Iggy teamed up with Bowie, then teamed up again - amid much mutual suspicion in 78. Again, James didn't really trust Jim - the guy who'd thrown him under the bus, as he saw it, to save his own skin. Then they had a final argument during the recording of Soldier. They've hardly spoken since.
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Its a pity iggy seems to breed that malcontent with ppl, imagine the music they couldve made together if they got back together, but i must admit i'm glad it has turned out the way it has, the stooges being what, who and where they are today

(though it would be nice if williamson made an appearance - even on the next record! imagine that; a song penned by james, wow i wonder what that would be like...)
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