Raw Power Legacy Edition Pre Orders for the U.K.

Number of posts : 230 Registration date : 2009-03-03

Got it today.
Only a few listens so far, but it's easily the best version I've heard. For example, it evens out the jarring differences between the levels on Search & Destroy much better than I've previously heard. At the same time, it retains the feel of the original Bowie mix that was partly lost on the Iggy remix.
It doesn't seem much kinder to Ron's and Scott's input, but I really don't think that is possible to achieve due to way they were originally recorded.

The Peaches show is (for me) slightly marred by the boogie-woogie piano that is on so much of the stuff from the era, but the recording quality is absolutely exceptional.

Nice one Sony.

The bass and drums weren't actually badly recorded.

Number of posts : 230 Registration date : 2009-03-03

G, F#, E wrote:: The bass and drums weren't actually badly recorded.

What I mean G,F#, E is that, imho you don't get Ron and Scott in a studio and record/engineer the material in such a way that they are largely inaudible on the finished product. I love the album, but I've always wished the rhythm section was clearer. I know Iggy claims it was his "vision" to have it sound as it does, but to me it's a bit of a crime to lose Ron & Scott's input. Just my opinion.

Yes I agree, personally I believe the loss of the Ron and Scott's parts were the egos of James and Iggy as the recordings of the rythm sections themselves were not bad at all, not "all on one tape" as Iggy has claimed.

Number of posts : 230 Registration date : 2009-03-03

Has that issue of how many tracks were used and what was on each been definitively confirmed by someone who was actually involved (other than Iggy or James?)

I have long held the view that there are 2 possible explanations for the disappearing rhythm section: (1) As you expressed above, or (2) technical incompetence. Either way, I don't believe we will ever hear a version that satisfactorily includes bass and drums.

The new version is the best yet though in my opinion.

Rob Gallucci wrote:: Has that issue of how many tracks were used and what was on each been definitively confirmed by someone who was actually involved (other than Iggy or James?)

Yes it has, by people who had recieved the tapes before Sony got them.

Number of posts : 230 Registration date : 2009-03-03

Do you know the details? (is this on another thread on the forum?)

Good question.

Number of posts : 137 Age : 36 Location : France Registration date : 2009-03-09

I'm curious too Huh?

I have differents suppositions :

1 - Raw Power = ego's battle between Jame's Guitars and Iggy's voice, that's why the rythmic session was recorded on only one track. I see that like an artist's statement.
2 - It's a complete mess up Very Happy

The Legacy Edition sounds good to me and I enjoy Doojiman. Mambo Mambooooooooo Tiki

Anyway we need aswers ^^

Number of posts : 171 Registration date : 2010-01-26

Rob Gallucci wrote:: Do you know the details? (is this on another thread on the forum?)

James confirmed (in one of the many interviews linked on this site) that Rollins has master tapes that contain solid levels of bass and drums. The bass and drums weren't mixed louder on purpose or else Bowie didn't have all the master reels in his possesion at the time of the mix. All there is to it.

Number of posts : 144 Registration date : 2009-09-06

I think Bowie decided to bury the rhythm section simply cause he didn't like that music...
Rhythm guitar is buried too,i don't think JW wanted his guitar to sound like this.

Number of posts : 91 Registration date : 2010-01-08

Picked up the 2 cd version and feel the studio tracks are better than any previous attemps and probably the best we'll ever hear.
Nice packaging and pic booklet.
The live set is somewhat of a disappointment even discounting the tech probs with James' guitar and Iggy's vocals. The overall sound is bootleg quality, nothing exceptional at all to say the least. No wonder this was dropped as suitable for airing on radio, there would have been complaints from listeners.
But being what it is, I'm glad to add it to the collection, knowing the chances of something similar in better sound will never happen, and you must have at least one listen to any live Stooges offerings. I still prefer the KO stuff.

Number of posts : 184 Location : Belfast Registration date : 2007-09-11

Got mine thru the post on Friday. Thanx HMV.
Nice package. much prefer this to the 2 cd case used for stooges & funhouse remaster. mine are broken now!
Ok now to the trainspotter stuff...
As someone who works in the design industry I was surprised how different the colour print values were to Iggy's Raw Power. Which has more red in it while the Legacy seems lighter and and with more yellow tones. but this is still closer to my old vinyl copy.

thats fine, thats not what annoyed me.

Anyone else notice how Search & Destroy cuts off before it fades properly at the end. I checked and its 1 sec shorter than 97 version. I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has the same issue or if I have a faulty disc.
MY GODDAMN FAV SONG AND THEY MESSED UP THE FADE OUT!!!!! GRRRrrrrrr.

Also I was wondering on Open Up & Bleed, is that Scott Thurston with the real "Soul" voice. Surely its not IGGY? It sound to me like the late Steve Marriott of the Faces. It really sounds great tho.

Still not sure if I think this is better than Iggy's mix. (and believe me I know it has it's faults) seems to be a case of turning my volume up for the legacy edition as opposed to having to always turn my volume down on Iggy's. I guess i'll have to live with it a while and retune my ears.

Number of posts : 144 Registration date : 2009-09-06

No it's not faulty,it's just the bowie mix.

Number of posts : 411 Registration date : 2009-01-19

Quote :: ... is that Scott Thurston with the real "Soul" voice. Surely its not IGGY? It sound to me like the late Steve Marriott of the Faces. It really sounds great tho.

Sounds like John Bolton to me (the king of histrionic over-emoting), but I think it's Thurston.

Number of posts : 234 Registration date : 2009-01-15

jpod wrote:: Also I was wondering on Open Up & Bleed, is that Scott Thurston with the real "Soul" voice. Surely its not IGGY? It sound to me like the late Steve Marriott of the Faces. It really sounds great tho.

Yeah, that's Scott Thurston. I saw the band just weeks before this show was recorded and he was the only person other than Iggy that even had a microphone.

Number of posts : 91 Registration date : 2010-01-08

jpod wrote:: Still not sure if I think this is better than Iggy's mix. (and believe me I know it has it's faults) seems to be a case of turning my volume up for the legacy edition as opposed to having to always turn my volume down on Iggy's.

The volume issue was the first thing I noticed on both discs. It certainly wasn't a case of too loud, at least played on my laptop. I can probably get more volume from my portable cd player, but now I'm wondering how much... I'll check later.