"I'm Free" by Rolling Stones = I Got A Right?

homesickjameswilliamson wrote:

Quote :

apart from being the supposed originator of the phrase, 'TV Eye'...dont know

yeh, though i dont know about that either, i remember reading that in please kill me i think, but i read somewhere else that the source was from the CBS news station the stooges watched, and Eye on the TV, a TV Eye, always lookin at you,like a big brother kinda thing, which sounds better than twat vibe eye, haha

I think probably Iggy had subb-consiously heard Kathy saying it and saw the eye on CBS and just twisted it around a bit. Its very likely he heard the phrase "T.V. Eye" but had no idea what it stood for so he used his own interpretation - somebody watching you.

Quote :

I think probably Iggy had subb-consiously heard Kathy saying it and saw the eye on CBS and just twisted it around a bit. Its very likely he heard the phrase "T.V. Eye" but had no idea what it stood for so he used his own interpretation - somebody watching you.

maybe, probly the other way around though considering how close kathy was with them, maybe she over heard the play, or heard them rehearse or play it live or something - i dunno i think im tryna justify that its the CBS origin because it sounds better than the kathy one lol

homesickjameswilliamson wrote:

Quote :

I just read somewhere that she did the vocals,

wow cool, damn i wish theyd made some tapes or something, suppose the technology wasnt as readily available to just anyone as it is now, like garageband on mac

i hadnt heard that, maybe it was please kill me and i didnt remember, would be cool tho, i wonder why kathy didnt have a greater impact on stooges music - or did she?

According to Kathy, in the very early days of the Stooges they talked about her being the singer (and, at one point, Scott too!!

People are right about the early bands, by the way, James was the main guitarist in the Chosen Few - whose singer was Scott Richardson, later of SRC. Ron played bass with them after he was sacked from the Prime Movers, but the overlap with James was one gig, before James left for Texas. Ron claims to have played the very first rock'n'roll notes at the Gtrande, when the Chosen Few were supporting the MC5 - he was playing bass, and it was their cover of the Stones' Everybody Needs Somebody.

According to Billie Cheatham, Ron was briefly in the Dirty Shames but Ron didn't mention this. And a few minutes ago, when I was getting distracted looking at a few transcripts, I noticed Scott Asheton was living, and jamming with, most of SRC just as the Stooges got together.

And yes, the Stones influence was pretty profound - Iggy once mentioned to me that his twin idols were Jim Morrison and Mick Jagger, and he was so in thrall to them "that you coulda called me Mick Morrison. Or Jim Jagger!"

I have a feeling, I haven't checked, that Iggy wrote most of Sick Of You - and that's pretty much a lift from, IIRC, Play With Fire.

Paul T wrote:

[According to Billie Cheatham, Ron was briefly in the Dirty Shames but Ron didn't mention this. .

I've always been under the impression that the Dirty Shames was really just an unofficial sort of band, just the Ashetons and a couple friends (Billy C, and Dave??), playing around at home and stuff, they never actually gigged or anything?
also, excuse my ignorance, but whose song exactly are you referring to, 'Play with fire'? is that the Stones's song, 'Playing with Fire' - which I've always thought is VERY like 'Sick of You'!!

yes and yes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr-KQrNOADQ&feature=related

Paul T wrote:

According to Kathy, in the very early days of the Stooges they talked about her being the singer (and, at one point, Scott too!!

People are right about the early bands, by the way, James was the main guitarist in the Chosen Few - whose singer was Scott Richardson, later of SRC. Ron played bass with them after he was sacked from the Prime Movers, but the overlap with James was one gig, before James left for Texas. Ron claims to have played the very first rock'n'roll notes at the Gtrande, when the Chosen Few were supporting the MC5 - he was playing bass, and it was their cover of the Stones' Everybody Needs Somebody.

According to Billie Cheatham, Ron was briefly in the Dirty Shames but Ron didn't mention this. And a few minutes ago, when I was getting distracted looking at a few transcripts, I noticed Scott Asheton was living, and jamming with, most of SRC just as the Stooges got together.

And yes, the Stones influence was pretty profound - Iggy once mentioned to me that his twin idols were Jim Morrison and Mick Jagger, and he was so in thrall to them "that you coulda called me Mick Morrison. Or Jim Jagger!"

I have a feeling, I haven't checked, that Iggy wrote most of Sick Of You - and that's pretty much a lift from, IIRC, Play With Fire.

I thought Jimmy Recca played bass with The Chosen Few and that's where the Stooges got him from since James already knew him from the band. Also, if you'd be so kind, what was the full line-up of the Chosen Few and are there any bootlegs?

Paul T wrote:

I have a feeling, I haven't checked, that Iggy wrote most of Sick Of You - and that's pretty much a lift from, IIRC, Play With Fire.

I can defienetly hear the resemblence and without a doubt as Richard stated the fast section is almost a direct lift of "Happening Ten Years Time Ago" by The Yardbirds. Of course The Stooges used the riffs much more effectively than The Yardbirds and The Rolling Stones.

G, F#, E wrote:

Paul T wrote:

I have a feeling, I haven't checked, that Iggy wrote most of Sick Of You - and that's pretty much a lift from, IIRC, Play With Fire.

I can defienetly hear the resemblence and without a doubt as Richard stated the fast section is almost a direct lift of "Happening Ten Years Time Ago" by The Yardbirds. Of course The Stooges used the riffs much more effectively than The Yardbirds and The Rolling Stones.

I caught both those myself, particularly the fast section. Nice nick job there, eh?

GREAT song nonetheless.

Sweet Sixteen, you're right about Jimmy Recca, he played bass at one point too.

I do have a photo somewere with the Chosen Few in colour. I think James is in there, playing a Fender Jag. I should be interviewing Scott Richardson within the next month or so for another project. When I do I'll post a mini feature on the Chosen Few on my website, and trail it here.