Where are the Kill City master tapes

cincinatti was televised at the time in a 90minutes special.
the stooges were in it for half of tv eye ,then came a commercial,then half of 1970,that's it!!.the tv company does not have kept high quality tapes of this.the best quality available is on the jesus this is iggy dvd(too bad the sound is not complete) someone from a recordcompany or tv company had a vcr(one of the first)and recorded this of tv,that's were everything orignates from

i read in an old magazine that cincinatti was broadcasted in fm stereo so this is different audio but this never surfaced sadly.

kill city were a bunch of demos,there's no vocal on master charge,so it wasn't finished.however tapes were send out to recordcompanies in 1975(where are they) but no one was interested
they were reworked in 1977 by james and then released as kill city(to cash in on iggy's succes?)

"i read in an old magazine that cincinatti was broadcasted in fm stereo so this is different audio but this never surfaced sadly"

Actually given that in the last few years a lot of 'pre FM' tapes (for instance of bands like Talking Heads) have emerged, maybe there's a chance that someone somewhere will dig up tapes of the show...

iggy-fan wrote:

Asked James about them. Bomp have them. But It was really the mastertape they used on the originally release. So these are cleaned up recordings.

Hi, new member here who's been lurking a while and just got round to finally posting.

I think the real question here is where are the masters to the original 1975 mixes of the Kill City tracks, as opposed to the 1977 mixes that were used as the basis for the released LP.

I don't have Original Punks but a few of the tracks are on Youtube. Johanna is obviously different - as others have said, it doesn't have the sax which suggests it's an original mix, pre-dating the 1977 overdubs. Kill City, however, sounds like the album version to me - unlike the Million In Prizes version, which is obviously different/better. The Original Punks Consolation Prizes that's on Youtube is definitely the album version to my ears, so I guess it's the other one on that CD that must be the alt mix.

The other Kill City/Original Punks stuff that I've heard - $Night Theme, I Got Nothing and Sell Your Love - sounds like the same mixes as the LP to me, just differently mastered. So as far as I can tell Original Punks hasn't broken anything new: the only two original mixes are Johanna and Consolation Prizes, which have been released previously. To these we can add the Million In Prizes version of Kill City, but the rest of the 'real' version of that album is still lost out there somewhere!

I have the full broadcast on VHS... somewhere. I can confirm that the footage mentioned above is the only Stooges content. I found the rest of the show tedious - Mountain? Alice Cooper. Probably worth another look.

hey, just to back on the kill city thing

i found a no sense of crime that is defintily a part of the 'rocks like a motherfucker" set, along with i think consolation prizes on original punks and kill city on a million in prizes, johanna on original punks

anyway,this is on i'm sick of you, someone posted a link to it on here, maybe, either that or i found it online or something, someone took it off the vinyl or something, sounds amazing, and theres better definintion between the guitars n all, sounds really good, these have got to be the originals or the rocks like a motherfucker tapes

this is the cover





the full list of the higher quality ones i hvae found is

consolation prizes / original punks
johanna / original punks
kill city / a million in prizes
no sense of crime / im sick of you
i got nothin' / pure lust

they all sound amazing

homesickjameswilliamson wrote:

no sense of crime / im sick of you

Are you sure? That version sounds like the same mix as the album to me, just mastered differently.

I hadn't heard about there being a different I Got Nothing out there. Any chance you could upload the Pure Lust version?

dunno if its the rocks like a MF one, but its defintily way better than the kill city one, the muddy one

dunno if the i got nothin is remastered or the MF one, just to my ears sounds better



No Sense of Crime
http://rapidshare.com/files/211888641/05_No_Sense_of_Crime__Original__1.mp3.html

I Got Nothin'
http://rapidshare.com/files/211889557/04_I_Got_Nothin___Original_.m4a.html

homesickjameswilliamson wrote:

this is the cover

What, exactly, is it? A CD? LP? Is it on Bomp? Foreign pressing?

Thanks.

no idea, just downloaded it a while ago online, it came with some artwork ill post that, just front and back kinda thing

It's actually an LP/CD on Line Records. To confuse things further, there are two other editions on Bomp, both with the same artwork - an EP from the late '70s with I'm Sick Of You/Tight Pants/Scene of the Crime, and a much later CD version with the same three tracks (mastered from vinyl) plus later live versions of those songs from Iggy's solo tours.

mark wrote:

It's actually an LP/CD on Line Records. To confuse things further, there are two other editions on Bomp, both with the same artwork - an EP from the late '70s with I'm Sick Of You/Tight Pants/Scene of the Crime, and a much later CD version with the same three tracks (mastered from vinyl) plus later live versions of those songs from Iggy's solo tours.

Thanks for that. I have both of the Bomp releases. Line is a German company, I think. I'll start looking around.

Line Records released the Kill City album in Germany exclusively (afaik..)



But on the LP Label they write that they release it licensed by Bomp! records. So it is very likely that Line Records won't do any re-mixing on their own.

And the tracks HSJW uploaded don't sound that different and mf-rocking at all...

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And the tracks HSJW uploaded don't sound that different and mf-rocking at all...

yeh, theyre probly not the originals or whatever, but its defintily different,the one on the kill city albums very muddy, no sense of crime i mean, and on that one you can hear the different guitars and stuff very clearly

I'm not sure if I mentioned this, but given in another thread (the Raw Power box set one?) it was mentioned that there now is software that can strip a track down to (or at least replicate) its components - ie bass, guitar, drums etc - I do wonder if anyone had this or something almost as good that costs less than a house, if the Kill city tapes had gone missing, whether someone might fancy trying to reconstruct it as it was originally recorded!

homesickjameswilliamson wrote:

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And the tracks HSJW uploaded don't sound that different and mf-rocking at all...

yeh, theyre probly not the originals or whatever, but its defintily different,the one on the kill city albums very muddy, no sense of crime i mean, and on that one you can hear the different guitars and stuff very clearly

It could have something to do with it being ripped from vinyl. There is a very noticable difference in sound quality (its not just me being geeky )

Yes.

The CD - the one with the extra tracks and the pic of Iggy wearing a hat in the booklet - which was taken from the vinyl sounds a lot better than the 'official' CD.

Stranger09 wrote:

Yes.

The CD - the one with the extra tracks and the pic of Iggy wearing a hat in the booklet - which was taken from the vinyl sounds a lot better than the 'official' CD.

This one?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IGGY-the-Stooges-Kill-City-Im-Sick-French-imp_W0QQitemZ290304384500QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CDsDVDs_CDs_CDs_GL?hash=item290304384500&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Yes that's the one - very good price!!

should mention, btw, that i was listening to these versions, which i can hear as very different, through headphones, in-ear, decent ones, so maybe that makes it easier to hear the other guitars or layers or whatever i dunno, but, just listening to no sense of crime again, such a difference, very clean

also, was lookin up iggy on itunes, it shows the most recently released albums as being he's frank, the 1977 box (good for those who didnt get it, nice packaging but only about half of the contents worth it) but also kill city as being released on 29th Jan 2008 - anyone know anything about this?

homesickjameswilliamson wrote:

but also kill city as being released on 29th Jan 2008 - anyone know anything about this?

Released on ITunes, maybe?

i dont think so, its been up there for ages i think, havent checked if there are now two versions on itunes

Its not been up there for long. That is when it was added to iTunes