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Stranger09
Number of posts : 490 Registration date : 2009-02-19
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:57 pm | |
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- I would love to hear someone remix the Kill City tapes, I love those songs but I never really liked that muddy "Exile on the main street" mix.... (I call it "Exile"...because it sounds like the Rolling Stones "Exile on the main street" to me....I love the Stones, but let's admit, the exile on the mains treet is poorly mixed album, great songs but badly mixed (or badly recorded...thereś not much you can do, if it's been recorded badly, with bad mics)
Ditto here, ie try doing it ourselves first?...there must be some audiophiles amongst us who also respect that too much cleaning up removes atmosphere and have some experience in cleaning up recordings? Enough uploaders on dime etc have such experience, maybe there's someone here? | |
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mc
Number of posts : 1786 Location : Bristol Registration date : 2008-01-20
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:45 pm | |
| Stranger d'you fancy having a go at mixing the "1970" from the Goose Lake video - I've got the wav of it but it sounds tinny I'd really like to hear it bassed up. | |
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mark
Number of posts : 222 Location : Beatin' my brains with Luther Vandross Registration date : 2009-02-26
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:51 am | |
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- - Michigan Palace 740209 (Marc Zermatti's mix, or one of similar/better quality, including all 6 songs and whatever unreleased parts are still in the vaults!)
Without meaning to sound relentless on this issue, or too untrusting, seeing comments like this, and my feeling that EA are great in terms of quantity of Iggy / Stooges releases, but 'boy cried wolf' over promises of quality too often, I feel as a group we need to offer our services and start cleaning things up ourselves! Well, I guess in the case of that particular show, we could put together a some kind of homemade edition using bits from Skydog's '80s Metallic 2xKO CD, Revenge's Gimme Danger and Skydog's I Got Nothing, using the recent Jungle reissue as a reference for the speed correction. But that would obviously be a poor second to having access to the unedited master tapes and whatever unissued stuff might be on there. - Quote :
- I do actually have cool edit pro which I know for a fact is good...I've just not used it alone yet, I used it with a guy who mixes for a living and was given it by another guy, a dj who was also involved in certain 'underground' releases.
Yep, there's no end of good audio software out there, and CoolEdit/Audition is well regarded. It's not just a matter of having the software though, it's a matter of having both a good command of said software and a sufficently experienced ear to know what to do with this stuff. And more to the point, it's a matter of having the source material. Obviously we can't remix Kill City cos we don't, and never will, have the multitracks. Personally I'd rather have the long-lost 1975 mix anyway - judging by what we have from that version (title track/Johanna/Consolation Prizes) it's a cracker. | |
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Stranger09
Number of posts : 490 Registration date : 2009-02-19
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:27 am | |
| Fair comments, but with Cool Edit Pro you can get good results without master tapes - I have directly witnessed this on more than one occasion. It is true that having a good command of the software helps, which I don't have at this point. I'm very much suggesting others could do such things, not out of laziness but because I have noticed the increase of 'home engineers' over recent years. By the way I did feel a bit of an arshole continually banging on about the Easy Action releases' audio problems, but every time I think have I been too harsh, I remember my reactions to hearing some of the travesties, so I stand by what I've said
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:26 pm | |
| Hi, I use cool edit/Audition 3.0 . too but look at the "where are the Kill City master tapes.." thread, there is no real stereo information on the tracks, so you can't really extract the vocals for example |
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Stranger09
Number of posts : 490 Registration date : 2009-02-19
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:54 pm | |
| Fair comment, however the engineer I worked with could do wonders with just bootleg tapes! He has been an audio engineer for a good thirty years though, and he's another guy who's more into Bowie than Iggy, as well as being extremely busy.
Where there's a will there's a way though, I'm sure some of the material suitable for release could be sourced and/or mixed well by an Iggy fan somewhere! | |
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G, F#, E Real O Mind
Number of posts : 2307 Age : 31 Location : Scotland Registration date : 2008-05-06
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:12 pm | |
| - mc wrote:
- Stranger d'you fancy having a go at mixing the "1970" from the Goose Lake video - I've got the wav of it but it sounds tinny I'd really like to hear it bassed up.
Problem with that video is though is as we all know Dave forgot almost all his bass parts so it'd be pretty hard if near impossible to do. | |
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Nadja
Number of posts : 2617 Registration date : 2007-12-16
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:21 pm | |
| - G, F#, E wrote:
- mc wrote:
- Stranger d'you fancy having a go at mixing the "1970" from the Goose Lake video - I've got the wav of it but it sounds tinny I'd really like to hear it bassed up.
Problem with that video is though is as we all know Dave forgot almost all his bass parts so it'd be pretty hard if near impossible to do. don't rub it in G!! of course you have a sound point though...! | |
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G, F#, E Real O Mind
Number of posts : 2307 Age : 31 Location : Scotland Registration date : 2008-05-06
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Nadja
Number of posts : 2617 Registration date : 2007-12-16
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mc
Number of posts : 1786 Location : Bristol Registration date : 2008-01-20
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:59 pm | |
| hadn't thought of that (dave's freaking = no bass)! | |
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Stranger09
Number of posts : 490 Registration date : 2009-02-19
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:25 pm | |
| May not be the end of the world, could apply more bass sound to the guitar?
It wouldn't sound perfect, but for a nearly 40 year old filmclip lasting a few minutes, with a little 'processing' it could be made to sound more acceptable. | |
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mc
Number of posts : 1786 Location : Bristol Registration date : 2008-01-20
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:32 pm | |
| - Stranger09 wrote:
- May not be the end of the world, could apply more bass sound to the guitar?
It wouldn't sound perfect, but for a nearly 40 year old filmclip lasting a few minutes, with a little 'processing' it could be made to sound more acceptable. So shall I upload to rapidshare and post a link? I tried to boost the bass and equalize the sound levels in Audacity but I'm sure you can do better than me. | |
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Stranger09
Number of posts : 490 Registration date : 2009-02-19
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:18 pm | |
| I feel bad now....as I keep pointing out, I genunely feel there are others, someone here must be reading / lurking who has the ability to do this.
I say that as on other forums I use and download sites I notice more and more people who seem to have such experience.
Me...I have the tool but not used it yet. I'm planning to finally start in a week or so's time when I've done some clearing out on the pc I'm using.
I've only used Cool Edit Pro myself in helping an audio engineer I know, and it's been a while. I have been given an old edition by another guy who used it for radio and mixing as far as I gather.
If you don't mind waiting a while I could have a go in 2-3 weeks time...I don't like giving guarantees on things I'm not sure I can deliver on. | |
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mc
Number of posts : 1786 Location : Bristol Registration date : 2008-01-20
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:49 pm | |
| no problem, whenever you're ready. I was just thinking it's one of the stooges best, nice and short and could do with a bit of a remix.
Does anyone else use Audacity, how does it rate compared to the pro/payfor sound programs? | |
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Stranger09
Number of posts : 490 Registration date : 2009-02-19
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:34 pm | |
| I've read people use Audacity to speed up or slow down recordings, but they don't use it to mix. I agree, I've recorded myself a little and Audacity was shit for remixing a track, I ended up putting it into mono to get rid of the distortion on a recording, it couldn't reduce it anything like Cool Edit Pro would've done...again speaking as a beginner. I spent enough hours sitting with an engineer to see what can be done with Cool Edit even though I would not be confident and competent enough to do it alone myself. | |
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JESUS_LOVES_THE_STOOGES Street Walkin Cheetah
Number of posts : 1296 Age : 31 Location : Motor City Registration date : 2007-03-05
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:45 pm | |
| I can try to clean up the track MC. Add the link, i'll see what I can do. I record full songs (Guitar,bass,drums,vocals) all by my self, and do the parts myself, and have much high quality programs for these type of things, so i'm sure I can make it at least decent. Add a link, and give me a day or 2. | |
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Stranger09
Number of posts : 490 Registration date : 2009-02-19
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:53 pm | |
| Excellent. You could overdub Dave's bass part while you're at it! sorry just joshing! | |
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JESUS_LOVES_THE_STOOGES Street Walkin Cheetah
Number of posts : 1296 Age : 31 Location : Motor City Registration date : 2007-03-05
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:01 am | |
| Actually not a bad idea, I will make myself a personal version w/ a bass track dubbed in, since I doubt anyone here would want to hear it Cheers ! | |
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mc
Number of posts : 1786 Location : Bristol Registration date : 2008-01-20
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:23 am | |
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Stranger09
Number of posts : 490 Registration date : 2009-02-19
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:22 am | |
| Actually I did wonder about the bass part thing....it would be hard to hide the fact its overdubbed...but then in this day and age with the technology we have at our disposal, well it's *possible*... could have a bassless version for the purists and the bass version for everyone else maybe | |
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nick
Number of posts : 30 Age : 31 Registration date : 2009-01-17
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:43 am | |
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larry fine
Number of posts : 234 Registration date : 2009-01-15
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:20 am | |
| Wait a minute... there is an uproar all over this site about Iggy calling his band The Stooges if they continue without Ron and James Williamson rejoins as the guitarist, but now there are plans to add bass parts to a Stooges live bootleg and not only does no one care but people are signing up for copies? I mean, what one chooses to do in the privacy of one's own home with someone else's art is a personal choice and I suppose anything goes. When it begins to be distributed via the interweb and soon starts spreading around the world like a virus (as these things do) it becomes, to my mind, a wholly other thing. Maybe I'll add a flute break to Search and Destroy or the Mormon Tabernacle Choir harmonizing to Dirt.
It doesn't feel appropriate to me. It ain't the end of the world, for sure, but it is skating on thin ice with someone else's art. I'm just saying... | |
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homesickjameswilliamson Modern Guy, Modern Guy
Number of posts : 3439 Age : 34 Location : Stoogeland Registration date : 2007-07-07
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:25 am | |
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- Maybe I'll add a flute break to Search and Destroy or the Mormon Tabernacle Choir harmonizing to Dirt.
...couldnt hurt lol nah, i get your point larry, but i think someone adding a bass to get a better sound off an old recording is alot smaller than the stooges namechanges and lineup changes in saying that i'll listen to it as a project, but dave's bass is dave's bass, adn thats what i want to listen to | |
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Funhousehideaway#2
Number of posts : 170 Registration date : 2008-03-28
| Subject: Re: Easy Action new Stooges Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:47 am | |
| Or maybe we could change the original through our own interpretation and hand it out for free, who needs a record store? | |
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